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Models that abort before convergence

From: Dennis Fisher <fisher>
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:21:23 -0800


I am curious as to your thoughts about a particular NONMEM issue. I
often find myself in a situation where a complex model does not
converge to 3 digits ("no of digits: unreportable") yet the objective
function is markedly better than a previous model and graphics suggest
that the model is quite good (and better than the previous one). Nick
Holford has advocated (and I agree) that NONMEM's SE's have minimal
utility and the inability to calculate them is not important.
However, I have not seen similar discussion about whether one can /
should accept a model that did not converge.

The particular situation that I dealing with at the moment is that a
dataset that I am analyzing yielded a series of results that did not
converge as I added parameters (despite an improving fit and a marked
decrease in the objective function), then yet a more complicated model
yielded 3.0 significant digits. In this case, there is no problem (I
can use this final model for bootstrap, VPC, etc.) but what if none of
these models had converged.


Dennis Fisher MD
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Received on Tue Nov 18 2008 - 14:21:23 EST

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