RE: a question about the mixture distribution

From: Joseph Standing <joseph.standing>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:24:07 +0200

Dear Kehua,

We discussed your question in the Uppsala pharmacometrics meeting yesterday.
If I understood your original question correctly, it was that there were two
possible conditions for ALPHA and BASE, and that each combination was
possible. A general principle for coding this:

..

\$MIX

P(1) = Theta(alph) * Theta(Base)

P(2) = (1 - Theta(alph)) * Theta(Base)

P(3) = Theta(alph) * (1 - Theta(base))

P(4) = (1 - Theta(alph)) * (1-Theta(base)) ; = 1 - P(1) - P(2) -
P(3)

.

\$THETA (0,x,1) ; Theta(alph)

\$THETA (0,y,1) ; Theta(base)

You should be able to extend this general principle to suit your specific
case.

Best wishes,

Joe Standing

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From: owner-nmusers
Behalf Of Fidler,Matt,FORT WORTH,R&D
Sent: den 13 oktober 2009 21:33
To: wu kehua
Cc: nmusers
Subject: RE: [NMusers] a question about the mixture distribution

Kehua,

The number of subgroups depend on how you view the subgroups.

There are three subgroups for ALPH, and there are two subgroups for BASE.
Therefore, there could be

3*2 = 6 subgroups

or

3+2 = 5 subgroups -- 3 for ALPH and 2 for BASE.

While technically there are 6 groups, you only code for 5, and each of these
five have sufficient information to determine which group each individual is
a member of.

Matt.

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From: wu kehua [mailto:zckehua
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:58 AM
To: Fidler,Matt,FORT WORTH,R&D
Cc: nmusers
Subject: Re: [NMusers] a question about the mixture distribution

Hi Matt,

option. I applied three subgroups on ALPH and two subgroups on BASE. I think
there should be six subgroups in total, right? But in the resulting data,
there are just five subgroups. The code follows,

\$PRED

CALLFL =1
EST = MIXEST
IF (MIXNUM.EQ.3) THEN
ALPH = (THETA(3))
END IF
IF (MIXNUM.EQ.2) THEN
ALPH = (THETA(2))
END IF
IF (MIXNUM.EQ.1) THEN
ALPH = (THETA(1))
ENDIF

IF (MIXNUM.EQ.4) THEN
BASE=THETA(4)
ELSE
BASE=THETA(5)
END IF

\$MIX

P(1) = THETA(6)
P(2)=THETA(7)
P(3) = 1-THETA(7)-THETA(6)
P(4)=THETA(8)
P(5)=1-THETA(8)
NSPOP = 5

Sorry to bother you and thank you very much. I will try that one mentioned
in your mail and let you know the results.

Best regards,

Kehua

2009/10/13 Fidler,Matt,FORT WORTH,R&D <Matt.Fidler

Kehua,

Option 1 is definitely better. This states that there is a possibility that
a population falls into ALPH1 or ALPH2. Within that same population there
are two populations for BASE.

The other option states that each person in the has distinct parameters that
four populations fall into: ALPH - Pop1, ALPH - Pop 2, Base -Pop 1, or Base
-Pop2. Therefore, if you selected ALPH - pop1, you wouldn't have the
parameter base. (You require this by having P1 - P4 to add up to be one -
the total probability).

A third option you may consider is if you have reason to believe that the
populations that have ALPH1 and Base1 are the same:

\$PRED
IF (MIXNUM.EQ.2) THEN
ALPH =THETA(1)

ELSE
ALPH = THETA(2)
ENDIF

IF (MIXNUM.EQ.2) THEN

BASE=THETA(3)
ELSE
BASE=THETA(4)
END IF

\$MIX

P(1) = THETA(5)
P(2) = 1-THETA(5)

NSPOP = 2

I haven't run anything like Option 1, and am unsure if NONMEM supports two
separate populations for ALPH and BASE. Has anyone tried this?

Matt.

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From: owner-nmusers
Behalf Of wu kehua
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:58 AM
To: nmusers
Subject: [NMusers] a question about the mixture distribution

Hi,

I am a new NONMEM user. I have a question about mixture distribution.

I have two parameters. How to apply mixture distribution on the both
parameters? I should use the first one or the second one?

First,
\$PRED
IF (MIXNUM.EQ.2) THEN
ALPH =THETA(1)
END IF
IF (MIXNUM.EQ.1) THEN
ALPH = THETA(2)
ENDIF

IF (MIXNUM.EQ.3) THEN
BASE=THETA(3)
ELSE
BASE=THETA(4)
END IF

\$MIX

P(1) = THETA(5)
P(2) = 1-THETA(5)
P(3)=THETA(6)
P(4)=1-THETA6)
NSPOP = 4

Second,

IF (MIXNUM.EQ.1) THEN
ALPH =THETA(1)
BASE=THETA(3)
END IF
IF (MIXNUM.EQ.2) THEN
ALPH = THETA(1)
BASE=THETA(4)
ENDIF
IF (MIXNUM.EQ.3) THEN
ALPH = THETA(2)
BASE=THETA(3)
ELSE
ALPH = THETA(2)
BASE=THETA(4)
END IF

\$MIX

P(1) = THETA(5)
P(2) = THETA(6)
P(3)=THETA(7)
P(4)=1-THETA(5)-THETA(6)-THETA(7)
NSPOP = 4

Thank you very much!

Best regards,

Kehua

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